Can I Talk to the SBA Inspector General Without an Attorney? | SBA OIG Defense Lawyers
So your probably thinking “the SBA Office of Inspector General called and wants to interview me about my PPP or EIDL loan—should I just talk to them and clear this up?” Maybe they sent a friendly letter saying they “just have a few questions.” Maybe an OIG agent left a voicemail saying “we’re conducting routine reviews.” Or maybe they showed up at your business saying “this won’t take long, just need some clarification!” Look, we get it. Your tempted to cooperate because you think “I have nothing to hide, talking will help!” But here’s the TRUTH—talking to SBA OIG without an attorney is the BIGGEST mistake you can make! It’s a trap designed to get you to incriminate yourself! And while you CAN legally talk to them without a lawyer, you absolutely SHOULD NOT because anything you say WILL be used to prosecute you for federal crimes carrying up to 30 YEARS in prison under 18 USC §1001!
Can I Talk to the SBA Inspector General Without an Attorney?
Technically YES, you CAN talk to the SBA Office of Inspector General without an attorney present—there’s no law requiring you to have a lawyer! But asking “can I” is the WRONG question! The RIGHT question is “SHOULD I talk to SBA OIG without an attorney?”—and the answer to THAT is ABSOLUTELY NOT! NEVER! Under NO circumstances!
Here’s why this distinction matters—SBA OIG investigators are counting on you not knowing the difference! There gonna present the interview as voluntary and informal, making you think a lawyer isn’t necessary! “We just need to clear up a few discrepancies!” “This is routine verification!” “Having a lawyer makes you look guilty!” All lies designed to trick you into waiving your constitutional rights!
The reality? If the SBA Office of Inspector General wants to interview you about your PPP or EIDL loan, you are under CRIMINAL investigation for federal fraud! This isn’t routine. This isn’t administrative. This is the preliminary stage of building a prosecution case against you!
According to SBA OIG’s own description of there role, they investigate “allegations of possible criminal violations” and conduct investigations “in conjunction with U.S. Attorney’s Office!” That means the OIG investigators interviewing you are working directly with federal prosecutors who will charge you with crimes!
Every single legal expert, defense attorney, and criminal procedure guide says the EXACT same thing—NEVER talk to federal investigators without an attorney present! Not SBA OIG. Not FBI. Not DOJ. Not IRS Criminal Investigation. NONE of them! Your constitutional rights protect you from self-incrimination, but only if you exercise them!
We’ve represented hundreds of clients in PPP and EIDL fraud investigations, and the ONLY clients who got charged were the ones who talked to investigators before hiring us! The clients who invoked there rights immediately, refused to speak without counsel, and let us handle all communications? Many of them NEVER got charged because without there admissions, the government couldn’t prove fraud!
Think about that—the difference between federal prison and freedom often comes down to whether you talked to SBA OIG! Don’t be the person who “cooperated” there way into a 10-year prison sentence!
Do I Have to Cooperate With the SBA OIG?
NO! You do NOT have a legal obligation to cooperate with SBA Office of Inspector General investigations unless your a current SBA employee or government contractor subject to specific cooperation requirements! For borrowers who received PPP or EIDL loans, cooperation with OIG interviews is COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY!
Let me be absolutely clear about this because SBA OIG agents will try to make you think otherwise—you have NO legal duty to answer there questions, participate in interviews, or provide voluntary statements! Your Fifth Amendment rights protect you from being compelled to incriminate yourself!
The ONLY time you might be legally required to cooperate is if you receive a federal grand jury subpoena requiring testimony! But even then, you can invoke your Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination for specific questions! And you STILL have the right to have your attorney present!
SBA OIG investigators use psychological manipulation to pressure “cooperation!” Common tactics include:
“If you don’t cooperate, we’ll have to assume you committed fraud!” FALSE! Your refusal to speak cannot be used as evidence of guilt in criminal proceedings!
“Cooperating now will help you get a better deal later!” LIE! Nothing you say to investigators will “help” you—it will only hurt you! Prosecutors don’t give “cooperation credit” for initial interviews before charges are filed!
“We’re giving you a chance to explain your side of the story!” MANIPULATION! You don’t owe them explanations! Your attorney can present defenses IF charges are filed, but talking now just provides ammunition!
“This is just administrative, not criminal!” DECEPTION! SBA OIG’s primary function is investigating CRIMINAL fraud for prosecution! There’s nothing “administrative” about interviews regarding potential fraud!
According to DOJ criminal procedure manual, you have the absolute right to decline voluntary interviews! Federal investigators cannot force you to talk, cannot threaten you for refusing, and cannot use your silence as proof of guilt!
We’ve had clients tell us OIG agents said “if you don’t talk to us now, we can’t help you!” Then after the client hired us and we reviewed the file, turns out the “help” OIG was offering was a chance to confess! The government wanted admissions to make there prosecution easier!
Don’t fall for cooperation pressure! You don’t owe SBA OIG anything! Exercise your constitutional rights and let your attorney handle all communications!
What Happens If I Refuse to Talk to SBA Investigators?
Absolutely NOTHING negative happens if you refuse to talk to SBA investigators! In fact, refusing to speak is the SMARTEST thing you can do! Your refusal cannot be used as evidence against you, cannot result in additional charges, and cannot make your situation worse!
Here’s what actually happens when you invoke your rights and refuse to cooperate:
SBA OIG continues there investigation using OTHER evidence—documents, bank records, witness statements, application materials! But crucially, they DON’T have YOUR admissions to work with! This makes building a fraud case much harder for prosecutors!
Your attorney can communicate with OIG on your behalf! We can find out what there investigating, what evidence they have, and what there concerns are WITHOUT you making incriminating statements! We can negotiate, provide explanations through legal channels, and protect your rights!
The government might issue a subpoena for documents! That’s fine—your attorney can respond to document subpoenas while asserting privileges and protecting against overly broad demands! Producing documents (carefully, through counsel) is different from volunteering testimony!
In SOME cases, the government decides not to pursue charges because without your cooperation and admissions, they can’t prove fraud! We’ve seen investigations close simply because the target refused to talk and the government couldn’t meet there burden of proof!
What does NOT happen? You don’t get arrested for refusing to talk! You don’t face contempt charges for exercising constitutional rights! You don’t automatically get charged with crimes! The investigation continues, but WITHOUT your self-incriminating statements helping prosecutors!
According to Fifth Amendment case law, prosecutors are PROHIBITED from commenting on your silence or suggesting it indicates guilt! The jury in a criminal trial cannot be told you refused to talk to investigators!
We’ve represented clients who steadfastly refused to cooperate with SBA OIG, and many were NEVER charged! Why? Because the government’s case was weak and they needed admissions to prove fraud! By staying silent and letting us handle everything, our clients avoided giving prosecutors the evidence needed for conviction!
Compare that to clients who talked before hiring us—they confessed to “mistakes,” admitted they “weren’t sure” about eligibility, acknowledged using some funds for “unapproved purposes!” Those admissions became the key evidence in there indictments! They literally convicted themselves!
Refusing to talk PROTECTS you! It’s not suspicious. It’s not an admission of guilt. It’s SMART legal strategy that preserves your defenses!
Can the SBA OIG Force Me to Answer Questions?
NO! The SBA Office of Inspector General CANNOT force you to answer questions if your not an SBA employee or government contractor! For loan borrowers, SBA OIG has NO power to compel testimony or require participation in voluntary interviews!
This is a critical distinction that confuses people—SBA OIG has broad investigative authority including issuing administrative subpoenas for DOCUMENTS, but they CANNOT force you to provide TESTIMONY or answers to questions! Your Fifth Amendment rights protect you from compelled self-incrimination!
There IS one narrow exception called a “Kalkines warning” (also known as Garrity rights), but this ONLY applies to government employees being investigated for misconduct! Under Kalkines, an employee can be required to answer questions or face discipline, BUT any answers given under compulsion cannot be used in criminal proceedings!
For PPP and EIDL loan borrowers who are NOT SBA employees, Kalkines warnings DON’T apply! Your a private citizen with full Fifth Amendment protections! SBA OIG cannot threaten you with anything for refusing to answer questions!
Here’s how SBA OIG tries to blur this distinction—they’ll act like you HAVE to cooperate! They’ll send official-looking letters making it seem mandatory! They’ll use authoritative language suggesting non-cooperation has consequences! All psychological tactics to override your constitutional rights!
According to federal employee rights guidance, voluntary interviews mean you can “refuse to answer questions and no disciplinary action will be taken solely for refusing!” This applies even MORE strongly to loan borrowers who aren’t employees!
The ONLY way SBA OIG can force your testimony is through a federal grand jury subpoena! If you receive a grand jury subpoena to testify, you generally must appear, BUT you can still invoke your Fifth Amendment privilege for specific questions that would incriminate you! And you can have your attorney present during grand jury testimony (though they can’t be in the room)!
We’ve had cases where SBA OIG agents told clients “you have to answer our questions or we’ll charge you with obstruction!” Complete lie! Exercising constitutional rights is NOT obstruction! Destroying evidence or lying to investigators IS obstruction, but remaining silent is PROTECTED!
Don’t let SBA OIG intimidate you into thinking you must cooperate! You have absolute Fifth Amendment protection against compelled self-incrimination! Assert your rights and let your attorney handle all communications!
Will Talking to SBA OIG Without a Lawyer Help My Case?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Talking to SBA Office of Inspector General without an attorney will NEVER help your case and will ALWAYS make things worse! This is the most dangerous myth that destroys people’s lives—the belief that “cooperating” or “explaining” will somehow benefit them!
Here’s the brutal reality that nobody tells you—SBA OIG investigators are NOT there to help you! There NOT looking for reasons to clear you! There NOT trying to understand your perspective! There job is to gather evidence for prosecution! Every question is designed to elicit admissions that support criminal charges!
Let me explain how this plays out in real cases we’ve handled:
Client thinks: “If I explain that I made an honest mistake on the application, they’ll understand!”
What actually happens: OIG agent asks “so you knew the information on the application might not be accurate?” Client says “well, I estimated some numbers.” BAM—admission of knowingly providing false information! Now prosecutors have evidence of intent to defraud!
Client thinks: “If I show I’m cooperative and honest, they’ll go easy on me!”
What actually happens: OIG builds the entire fraud case using the client’s own admissions! Then prosecutors offer a “deal”—plead guilty to reduced charges or face trial with YOUR OWN STATEMENTS as the key evidence! There’s no “going easy” on you!
Client thinks: “My lawyer can’t do anything until I know what there investigating!”
What actually happens: Your lawyer can find out EXACTLY what there investigating WITHOUT you making incriminating statements! We talk to OIG, review documents, assess the case, and develop strategy—all while protecting you from self-incrimination!
According to federal criminal discovery rules, anything you tell investigators becomes evidence that MUST be disclosed if charges are filed! You literally create the prosecution’s case by talking!
We’ve NEVER seen a case where talking to SBA OIG without an attorney helped the target! NOT ONCE in hundreds of cases! But we’ve seen COUNTLESS cases where people destroyed there defenses by talking! They admitted things they didn’t need to admit! They created inconsistencies between statements and documents! They provided evidence that prosecutors couldn’t have obtained any other way!
One client came to us AFTER talking to SBA OIG without counsel! He thought he “explained everything” and the investigation would go away! Instead, every single statement he made showed up in his indictment as evidence of fraud! His cooperation didn’t help—it guaranteed his conviction!
The ONLY benefit of “cooperation” comes AFTER you’ve hired an attorney, AFTER we’ve assessed the case, and AFTER we’ve negotiated terms with prosecutors! Early cooperation through counsel, under favorable terms, with immunity agreements in place—THAT can sometimes help! But talking to OIG on your own before charges? NEVER helps!
What Happens During an SBA OIG Interview?
SBA Office of Inspector General interviews are carefully orchestrated interrogations designed to build criminal cases against targets! Understanding how these interviews work shows exactly why you need an attorney present!
The interview typically starts with OIG agents presenting themselves as friendly and understanding! “We’re just trying to clear up some confusion!” “We know the PPP/EIDL program was complicated!” “We’re not accusing you of anything!” All tactics to lower your guard and make you talk!
Then agents explain the interview is “voluntary” but frame it like cooperation is expected! They might say “you don’t have to talk to us, but if you have nothing to hide, why wouldn’t you?” Psychological manipulation to make refusing seem suspicious!
If you agree to the interview (DON’T!), agents will read you a warning about lying to federal investigators! According to 18 USC §1001, making false statements to federal agents is a crime carrying up to 5 YEARS in prison! They warn you about this, then proceed to ask questions where any answer could be “false” if it conflicts with documents!
The questioning starts with softballs—your name, business name, when you applied for the loan! Easy questions to get you talking and comfortable! Then they gradually shift to more substantive issues!
Common SBA OIG interview questions include:
“How did you calculate the loan amount on your application?”—If your answer differs at all from what’s on the application, there claiming you lied!
“Who helped you fill out the application?”—They’re looking for conspiracy charges! If you mention an accountant or consultant, now there investigating them too!
“Did you understand all the eligibility requirements?”—If you say “yes,” they argue you knowingly violated them! If you say “no,” they argue you recklessly applied without understanding!
“How did you use the loan funds?”—Any admission of using money for non-approved purposes becomes evidence of fraud!
“Were all the employees on your application actual employees?”—One discrepancy and there charging you with false statements!
According to OIG investigation procedures, “if the OIG wants to interview you, they’re building a criminal case! Anything you say can be used against you!”
Agents are trained to spot inconsistencies! If your verbal explanation doesn’t perfectly match documents from months or years ago, there claiming you lied! But memories fade, details blur, and under pressure people make mistakes! Those mistakes become “false statements to federal investigators!”
The interview gets documented extensively! Agents take notes, record everything you say, and prepare detailed reports! All of this becomes evidence in your case! You can’t take back what you’ve said once it’s on record!
We’ve reviewed countless SBA OIG interview transcripts in cases we’ve handled! What stands out? How EVERYTHING the target said was twisted into evidence of fraud! Innocent explanations became admissions! Attempts to cooperate became proof of guilt!
That’s why EVERY legal expert says NEVER participate in these interviews without an attorney! Your lawyer can be present during questioning, object to improper questions, advise you when to invoke Fifth Amendment rights, and ensure the interview doesn’t become a confession session!
Can SBA OIG Statements Be Used Against Me Criminally?
YES! ABSOLUTELY YES! Everything you tell the SBA Office of Inspector General can and WILL be used against you in criminal prosecutions! This is one of the most dangerous myths—people think OIG interviews are “civil” or “administrative” and statements won’t be used criminally! WRONG!
SBA OIG works directly with the Department of Justice and U.S. Attorneys’ Offices to prosecute federal crimes! According to SBA OIG’s mission, most investigations are conducted “in conjunction with a U.S. Attorney’s Office!” That means criminal prosecutors are involved from the START!
Any statement you make to SBA OIG investigators becomes evidence that can be introduced in federal criminal court! There’s NO protection! NO privilege! NO confidentiality! Everything is discoverable and admissible!
Here’s how this plays out in real prosecutions we’ve defended:
Prosecutors file fraud charges against you! The indictment includes specific allegations! Then in discovery, the government produces YOUR OWN STATEMENTS to SBA OIG as evidence proving the charges! Your cooperation became the key to your conviction!
At trial, SBA OIG agents testify about what you told them! “The defendant admitted he estimated payroll numbers!” “The defendant acknowledged using funds for expenses not covered by the program!” Your statements, from what you thought was a “routine interview,” used to send you to prison!
The government uses inconsistencies between your statements and other evidence to prove you lied! If what you told OIG doesn’t perfectly match your application or bank records, prosecutors argue it’s evidence of fraud! You created evidence against yourself!
According to Federal Rules of Evidence, statements made to government investigators are admissible as party admissions! They’re considered extremely reliable evidence because YOU said them!
The ONLY statements that can’t be used criminally are those given under Kalkines/Garrity warnings—when government employees are COMPELLED to answer under threat of discipline! Those statements cannot be used in criminal cases! But for loan borrowers in voluntary interviews? EVERYTHING is fair game!
We’ve seen cases where a single sentence said to SBA OIG destroyed the entire defense! Client told investigators “I might have made some mistakes on the application!” Prosecutors used that one admission to argue the defendant KNEW the application contained false information! Conviction based on one careless statement!
This is why experienced criminal defense attorneys are UNANIMOUS—NEVER talk to federal investigators without counsel present! Miranda warnings only apply to custodial interrogation! For non-custodial interviews, agents don’t have to warn you! But everything you say is still usable in court!
Don’t give prosecutors evidence to use against you! Exercise your Fifth Amendment rights and let your attorney handle all communications with SBA OIG!
What Is a Kalkines Warning in SBA OIG Interviews?
A Kalkines warning (also called Garrity rights) is a SPECIFIC notification given to government employees when there compelled to answer questions during internal investigations! It’s named after the case Kalkines v. United States and provides critical protections—but ONLY for government employees, NOT for loan borrowers!
Here’s how Kalkines warnings work: When a government employee is being investigated by an Inspector General for misconduct, they can be ORDERED to answer questions or face discipline (suspension, termination, etc.)! This is called “compelled” testimony! BUT because the Fifth Amendment protects against COMPELLED self-incrimination, the government must give a Kalkines warning!
A Kalkines warning tells the employee:
1. You are being ordered to answer questions
2. Failure to answer will result in discipline
3. Your answers CANNOT be used against you in criminal proceedings
4. Your answers CAN be used for administrative discipline
So government employees get a terrible choice—answer and face potential administrative penalties, or refuse and get fired! But at least they have the protection that compelled answers can’t be used to criminally prosecute them!
Here’s the CRITICAL point—Kalkines warnings ONLY apply to government employees in internal investigations! If your a PPP or EIDL borrower being investigated by SBA OIG, you are NOT a government employee! You don’t get Kalkines protection!
Your interview with SBA OIG is “voluntary” (meaning you can refuse entirely), but if you DO talk, your statements CAN be used criminally! You don’t get the Kalkines protection that prevents criminal use!
This is where confusion happens—some people hear about Kalkines warnings and think “oh, my SBA OIG interview has protections!” NO! Unless your an actual SBA employee being investigated for workplace misconduct, Kalkines doesn’t apply to you!
According to federal employee rights guidance, “voluntary interviews allow you to refuse to answer questions and no disciplinary action will be taken!” That applies to loan borrowers—your interview is voluntary, you can refuse, and there’s no consequence!
But if you DO talk voluntarily as a loan borrower, you get NONE of the Kalkines protections! Everything you say goes straight to criminal prosecutors!
We’ve had clients confused about this! They thought because the interview was with SBA OIG (a government agency), there were protections! WRONG! Unless you get a specific Kalkines warning stating your answers cannot be used criminally, assume EVERYTHING you say will be used against you!
The bottom line? Kalkines warnings don’t help PPP/EIDL borrowers! Don’t count on any protections! The ONLY protection you have is your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent—and your attorney enforcing that right on your behalf!
Should I Cooperate With the SBA Inspector General Investigation?
NO! You should NOT cooperate with SBA Office of Inspector General investigations on your own! ANY cooperation must be done ONLY through an experienced federal criminal defense attorney who can negotiate terms, protect your rights, and ensure you don’t incriminate yourself!
Let me be crystal clear about what “cooperation” means in federal investigations:
TRUE cooperation (which can sometimes help) = After hiring attorney, after assessing charges, after negotiating immunity or favorable plea terms, providing information through counsel under protective agreements!
FALSE cooperation (which always hurts) = Talking to investigators before hiring lawyer, answering questions without protection, volunteering statements thinking it will help, trying to “clear things up” on your own!
The problem is that SBA OIG investigators use the word “cooperation” to mean “confess to everything we ask about!” They present it like your helping yourself! But your actually destroying your defense!
Here’s when cooperation MIGHT make sense (and ONLY through your attorney):
After you’ve been formally charged and prosecutors offer a cooperation agreement with substantial sentence reductions in exchange for testimony against others! Your lawyer negotiates immunity for certain conduct and ensures your cooperation is valuable enough to justify reduced charges!
When you have information about OTHERS who committed fraud and prosecutors will grant you immunity to get bigger fish! This is transactional immunity negotiated by your attorney—you give them information in exchange for protection!
Under a proffer agreement (also called “queen for a day”) where anything you say during the meeting CANNOT be used against you except for perjury! Your attorney negotiates this protection BEFORE you say anything!
But here’s what cooperation should NEVER mean:
Sitting down with SBA OIG before hiring a lawyer and “explaining your side!”
Answering questions without protective agreements because you think honesty will help!
Providing documents or statements voluntarily hoping it makes the investigation go away!
“Cooperating” without knowing what you’re being investigated for or what evidence exists!
According to DOJ guidelines on cooperation, prosecutors determine cooperation credit based on SUBSTANTIAL assistance that leads to other prosecutions! Talking to OIG early without protection doesn’t count as cooperation—it counts as confessing!
We’ve seen clients come to us after “cooperating” with SBA OIG on there own! They gave statements, produced documents, answered every question! Did it help them? NO! The government used there cooperation to build an airtight case, then prosecuted them anyway! Now they can’t even go to trial because there own admissions prove guilt!
Compare that to clients who hired us BEFORE talking to anyone! We assessed the case, negotiated with prosecutors when appropriate, and protected our clients’ rights throughout! Some got immunity agreements! Others got charges reduced or avoided prosecution entirely because we controlled the narrative!
If cooperation is necessary, your attorney will know when and how to do it safely! But NEVER cooperate on your own thinking it will help! You’ll just convict yourself!
Can I Be Charged for Lying to the SBA OIG?
ABSOLUTELY YES! Lying to the SBA Office of Inspector General is a separate federal crime under 18 USC §1001—false statements to federal investigators! This charge carries up to 5 YEARS in federal prison and is routinely stacked on top of fraud charges!
Here’s what’s TERRIFYING about false statement charges—you can be prosecuted for lying to federal agents EVEN IF the underlying conduct wasn’t criminal! Even if you didn’t commit fraud! You can go to prison just for lying during the investigation!
And here’s what counts as “lying” under 18 USC §1001:
Any materially false statement to federal investigators! If you misrepresent facts, give incorrect information, or provide misleading answers to SBA OIG, that’s a crime!
Concealing material facts! Even if you don’t explicitly lie, hiding relevant information can be charged as false statements!
Creating false documents or records provided to investigators! If you alter paperwork or fabricate records for SBA OIG, that’s additional false statement charges!
According to case law, the statement doesn’t have to be under oath! It doesn’t have to be in a formal proceeding! Lying during an “informal interview” with SBA OIG is enough! The government just has to prove the statement was false, material, and made knowingly!
We’ve seen cases where defendants got charged with PPP fraud (30 years) PLUS false statements to investigators (5 years per lie) PLUS obstruction of justice (20 years)! All because they talked to SBA OIG without an attorney and made statements that turned out to be inaccurate!
Here’s the impossible position this creates:
If you refuse to talk to SBA OIG, you can’t be charged with lying!
If you DO talk, any inconsistency between your statements and other evidence becomes a false statement charge!
Even HONEST mistakes during interviews can be prosecuted as lies if the government claims you “knowingly” provided false information!
This is why attorneys ALWAYS advise remaining silent! You can’t lie if you don’t make statements! You can’t create inconsistencies if you don’t talk! Your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent protects you from this trap!
We’ve defended clients charged with making false statements to SBA OIG! Prosecutors love these charges because there easy to prove—they just show what the defendant said versus what the truth is! The defendant’s own words become the evidence!
One client told SBA OIG he “had 25 employees” when actually he had 22 employees and 3 contractors! False statement charge! He wasn’t trying to lie—he just didn’t remember the exact breakdown! Didn’t matter! Prosecutors charged him with knowingly making false statements!
The solution? NEVER talk to SBA OIG without your attorney! If you absolutely must communicate with them, do it through your lawyer who can carefully craft responses, correct mistakes immediately, and protect you from false statement exposure!
Don’t give the government an easy conviction by creating false statement charges through careless interviews!
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Don’t talk to SBA OIG without a lawyer!
While you CAN technically talk to the SBA Office of Inspector General without an attorney, you absolutely SHOULD NOT! Every legal expert agrees—talking to federal investigators without counsel is the biggest mistake you can make! It NEVER helps your case and ALWAYS makes things worse! Your statements will be used as evidence for criminal prosecution! Your cooperation will be twisted into admissions of guilt! And you’ll face additional false statement charges for any inconsistencies! Protect yourself by exercising your Fifth Amendment rights and hiring an experienced federal criminal defense attorney IMMEDIATELY! We can handle all communications with SBA OIG, protect you from self-incrimination, and ensure you don’t convict yourself by talking! Call us now before saying anything to investigators!
Disclaimer: Prior results don’t guarantee similar outcomes. Each case is unique. This article provides general information not specific legal advice.